Invasions and Rejoinders




house.34.356: pronoia is as pronoia does (cubensis) Tue 8 Nov 94 14:40


IN RESPONSE TO RECENT STIRRINGS:

** The recently released message from club Megatripolis (SF)
** (aka the _Zippy Invasion Task Force_),
** articulated by Dr. Timothy Leary,
** is IN NO WAY connected
** with the ZIPPY PRONOIA TOUR to US '94,
** which took place across the states this summer,
** and was featured in media including _Wired_ magazine.

The Pronoia Tour separated with Fraser Clark in July of 1994, and his
subsequent work with infamous hacker Cap'n Crunch and Dr. Leary from San
Francisco is independent and separate from the summer's Zippy Pronoia Tour
to US '94.

An EXCERPT from the item in question:

} PRESS RELEASE FROM THE ZIPPY INVASION TASK FORCE
} Silicon Valley NOV 5: Today saw the launch of the First "Intercontinental
} Ballistic Meme" (ICBM) and the Virtual Invasion of Great Britain. Speaking
} aboard "US Yellow Cyberine" at club Megatripolis, "CyberCommodore"
Timothy
} Leary, had this to say: I have waited all my life for this moment. This is
} not just an INVASION its an INTER-VASION Speaking before a jubilant
audience
} packed into the venue at the181 Club in San Francisco, Leary defined the
aims
} of the Cyber Task Force: to protect democracy and HALT the British
Criminal
} Justice Bill".

END ITEM

While any "zippy" individual aware of the UK Criminal Justice Bill would be
alarmed by it's implications, the Zippy Pronoia Tour does not condone the
use of language such as:

} support of guerrilla CyberMailing attacks and partial landings around the
} Cyber Coast of the British Islands by the "Hacker Light Infantry".

PRONOIA is a mindset. While ZIPPY is a lifestyle and a movement, the meme
of PRONOIA cannot, by it's very definition, be associated with any
aggressive, warlike meme.

[signed]
Zippy Pronoia Tour to US '94

house.34.357: Larry Edelstein (ledelste) Tue 8 Nov 94 15:58

Christ, these (you?) guys sound as self-absorbed as the Weather Underground
or something. Get off the goofy lingo and START MAKING SOME SENSE!

house.34.358: pronoia is (cubensis) Tue 8 Nov 94 17:01


look, what doesn't make sense? Making sense is a subjective thing it seems.
My point was that the Zippy Pronoia Tour is not/does not/will not condone
the negative, aggressive tone used by the so-called "Zippy Task Force".

I would prefer not to be absorbed in this, actually, but when there is a
danger of people confusing these irresponsible actions with the posse I'm
involved with (The Pronoia Tour. I gotta speak to that. Makings sense is a
priority, believe me. :-)

house.34.359: adjustable (kreth) Wed 9 Nov 94 12:18



You could always start using the jargon of military operations:

OPERATION ZIPPY INTER-VASION

(in full eeee-fect)

("Zippy Task Force" sounds like "Drug Interdiction Task Force" or something)


house.34.360: pronoia is (cubensis) Wed 9 Nov 94 15:29


AFFIRMATIVE RAVEBOT NUMER SEVEN

JUST SAY KNOW}

ENDTRANSMISSION 10.09.94

house.34.361: Larry Edelstein (ledelste) Wed 9 Nov 94 17:42

Sorry, cubensis, I don't have a coherent reason for my outburst. I just
don't get the whole Zippie/Pronoia thing.

As an aside, I wonder how Fraser Clark, whoever the hell he is, liked
dealing with the Infamous Cap'n Crunch (John Draper) and his more-deservedly
infamous body odor and bizarre personal behavior. If Crunch is the kind of
guy that Fraser Clark hangs around with, I can't blame you for not hanging
with him.

house.34.362: Knowledge (aasgaard) Wed 9 Nov 94 18:11

{AWAITING PERMISSION FROM THE AUTHOR}

house.34.363: Robert Lauriston (duck) Wed 9 Nov 94 19:52

No, they think we look bad.

They're often right, too. I took it as a big compliment when people
started taking me for Irish or German.

house.34.364: Fuzzy Logic (phred) Wed 9 Nov 94 23:51

The Zippies: can't tell them without a scorecard.

Megatripolis West is dead, of course. I think it lasted four weeks.

This would all have been a good hoax and great fun overall, but I fear
that some of the Zippies actually take themselves seriously.
Which accounts for the big difference in effect between them and Kesey's
Merry Pranksters.

house.34.365: what.... me worry? (cubensis) Thu 10 Nov 94 12:45


I envision Draper giving Clark one of his infamous energy-channel "clearing"
gropes, while Leary serves double scotches in 7-11 Big Gulp cups.

karmakarmakarmakarmakarmakarmakarma...

(BTW, Phred... in Boulder this summer, The Big Chief Kesey himself said to
me from his big red Cadillac: "Son, I've bitten the ankle of the beast.
Don't ask me to bite where you want to bite. I've done that movie. Now
it's your turn.")

Well, geez... what do you want? We don't have a bus OR Owlsey acid!

house.34.366: Steve Silberman (digaman) Thu 10 Nov 94 13:27

Thank God.

TIRED: busses, Owsley acid
WIRED: byting the beast

;-)

house.34.367: what... me worry? (cubensis) Thu 10 Nov 94 14:22

crunchacrunchacrunchacrunchacrunch...

house.34.368: Fuzzy Logic (phred) Thu 10 Nov 94 23:52

Yes, I heard what Kesey said, but quite frankly, in recent years his
strong skepticism, which was always leavened with a certain can-do
optimism that sought to break through the barriers, seems to have
withered into an enveloping pessimism.

The one thing about Kesey and his crowd that I prize is that they walked
the walk *and* talked the talk. I see no successors at present.

house.34.369: Jim Cyr (surfpunk) Fri 11 Nov 94 08:48

In terms of walking the walk and talking the talk,
the only reasonable successors are ourselves
Hopefully, in the emerging paradigm, celebrity doesn't cut it
and we learn to recognize and appreciate each other as unique cells
in an evolving organism . . .
so as a consumate trendoid once said, "Let's Dance"
.


house.34.370: Steve Silberman (digaman) Fri 11 Nov 94 09:27

They walked some of the way and talked some of the talk, but Kesey lets
a little thing like homosexuality get his panties in a bunch, and that's
from first-hand conversations with the man. He's a bodhisattva
of a writer and the best storyteller I've ever heard, but no one figured out
everything for us. So much work to do!

house.34.371: Robert Lauriston (duck) Fri 11 Nov 94 10:13

Unless there's nothing in the world that gets your panties in a bunch,
you're just looking down on the guy because you don't share his particular
foibles. Most people have some.

house.34.372: Steve Silberman (digaman) Fri 11 Nov 94 12:25

I wasn't looking down on him, I was admiring him! Perhaps you should
understand that I'm a Deadhead, having grown up with the Kesey Myth in
the very air in which my fingers left trails. He's a brilliant guy -
"bodhisattva" isn't exactly an insult - who is on the path with all of
us. His path includes work on being comfortable with other forms of love
than the ones he's evidently used to. I am a mess of foibles compared -
but that's what I meant by "so much work" - there's plenty for us all to do.

house.34.373: RUSirius (rusirius) Fri 11 Nov 94 12:48

I just got a check from Megatripolis for appearing there in the mail. Came
today, which makes me wondr if they're out of business. Usually people
closoing down shop don't send out their checks.

Not to take sides. I've met cubensis and Frazier and liked both of them,
even though I think hippie or neo-hippie politic has run its course...

house.34.374: Young Owl Hatching (owlmed) Fri 11 Nov 94 20:24

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house.34.375: Fuzzy Logic (phred) Sat 12 Nov 94 03:28

Read the Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test and some of the parts of Kesey's own
Demon Box for the particulars.

house.34.376: Knowledge (aasgaard) Sat 12 Nov 94 09:07

{AWAITING PERMISSION FROM THE AUTHOR}

house.34.377: Young Owl Hatching (owlmed) Sat 12 Nov 94 09:44

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house.34.378: Jim Cyr (surfpunk) Sat 12 Nov 94 12:56

in this day and age it seems we get more and more cynical
the predilection to deify and then dethrone seems to be an unceasing
entertainment and narcotic for we, the mass media junkies of the planet
we are all familiar with those who say one thing and do another
"walking your talk" means doing and being what you claim to be not
just when the cameras are on, but as a matter of course
at least that is my understanding . . . ;)

house.34.379: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sat 12 Nov 94 12:59

well said.

house.34.380: Peter Feltham (oink) Sat 12 Nov 94 13:52

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house.34.381: KT Lytle (finn2) Sat 12 Nov 94 18:35

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house.34.382: Matt Black (mattb) Sun 13 Nov 94 15:50

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house.34.383: Cowboy Neal at the wheel (cubensis) Sun 13 Nov 94 19:46

walking the the talk is *much* easier when the acid is supplemented with fat
checks from _Cuccoo's Nest_ sales, to buy the food, bus, cameras, stock,
etc... not that there is anything wrong with that. That is what got me
about some of theriticism of our Pronoia Tour-- we were starving and *still*
giving free or $5 max events... walking pronoia is why we split with Fraser.

RE: "walking your talk" means doing and being what you claim to be not
just when the cameras are on, but as a matter of course

exactly.

RE: #37you are a rare bird, rusirius. I'm glad you of all people are the
one person I have ever heard of getting paid what was owed him by FC.

Hippie politique is dead, as Newt Gingerich said so clearly recently.
That is why I supplemented my Dead CD collection with Negativeland and
Spacetime Continuum. :-) Zippies are not neo-hippies, IMHO.

'scuse me while I go get small.

house.34.384: Cowboy Neal at the wheel (cubensis) Sun 13 Nov 94 21:16


BTW, for what it's worth:

when we {the Pronoia Tour} performed at Naropa Institute's birthday party
for Allen Ginsberg, Kesey actively disliked Fraser Clark.

Kesey's play really bombed, and people were walkiing out and it was really
embarrassing. The zippies then had (IMO) the misfortune of playing the
after-hours gig-- a phenomenally successful rave in the Boulder Theatre,
which left the Pranksters in the dust.

I too, am enamoured with the Kesey Myth, and it pained me to see this
happen. Fraser kept saying to Kesey: "man, you REALLY bombed. I mean you
REALLY BOMBED!" and for some strange reason the Original Chief became
irate with the normally-charismatic Scotsman.

It was like watching the Discovery Channel, when the Alpha rams butt heads.
So, the rest of us gulped and promptly began dancing our silly heads off.

house.34.385: Steve Silberman (digaman) Mon 14 Nov 94 10:06

And then when I told Kesey that some of the students had found some of
the lines in Twister homophobic, and wanted to talk with him, he snarled,
"If they wanna send SIXTEEN DYKES over here, I'll take 'em on!"

It was shall we say an inappropriate manifestation of the warrior archetype
which attitude contributed greatly to the suffering & confusion around
Boulder for several days afterward, when a figurative cup of tea offered
in both directions would have cut the mustard posthaste.

house.34.386: Cowboy Neal at the wheel (cubensis) Mon 14 Nov 94 11:16

wow. I didn't realize the impact had been so serious. It seems to me,
{digaman}, like the warrior archetype manifests itself in inappropriate
forms inside and outside today's counterculture... like someone said earlier
about the Libertarian grip these days being somewhat alienating.

I was struck by a *gasp* TV show this weekend (yes I break down on Friday
nights for X-Files, like I used to do for Trek):

A spiritual/newage/hippie sister of a main character scolded Agent Mulder
(the protagonist) for dwelling too long in the dark. She showed in clear
terms the power of warriors who choose to wield love during tough times.

house.34.387: bad apple biter (cubensis) Fri 18 Nov 94 21:10

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 20:31:58 -0800
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Subject: (fwd) Zippies Rip Off Bruce Eisner

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BRUCE EISNER RIPPED OFF BY ZIPPIES
This is Bruce Eisner. I am a long time journalist coveing the
"psychedelic and consciousness" scene. Today, I was outraged. I had
given a talk at the "Parallel" Univeristy of Megatripolis. I was offered
$300 by Frazer Clarke for the talk. When I showed up, the place I was to
speak was a dump and the event disorganized. There was someone selling
"herbal ecstasy" in the corner. Later, I found out that the Zippies had
advertised on their announcement tape of the event that Bruce Eisner would
be at the event "selling herbal ecstasy." I certainly had no involvement
with this. Additionally, I was not paid for the event.
In the spirit of Networking, I had connected my publishers, Ronin
Publishing with the Zippies before this event. The Zippies had a club,
the Trocadero or we thought they did for Novemeber 5, the day my
publisher's planned a "Book Rave" with Timothy Leary. The Zippies lost
their club for the weekend, but then sent out press releases linking
themselves with Leary. The coersed Leary into sending out e-mail about
the English assembly bill.
In August, I had two previous encounters with the Zippies. The first was
at a Santa Cruz rave that I was invited to. When I showed up to speak,
there were three people there including the DJ. The rave was moved at 11
AM to a beach, where a stabing incident occured. I left however, a half
hour after I got to the rave, missing all the "action."
Later, in August I attended the World Unity Fesival where the Grand Canyon
Rave of the Zippies were supposed to occur. The festival and rave were
held on unpermitted land. The festival in the town of Flagstaff was
cancelled due to lack of permits and large ampliefiers were banned from
the Univity Festiveal encampment in the woods. I had flown and driven
1000 miles for this? I met a reporter from High Times who had followed
the Zippies on their "Pronoia Tour." What do you think of them, I asked.
Frankly, I'm tireed of the." she said.
I am too. Let's send the Zippeis back to England where they belong.


house.34.388: tireed of some Zippeis (cubensis) Fri 18 Nov 94 21:15

So I says to myself, I says: "Weeeeell. Isn't that SPECIAL ?!?"

and compose a posting for Usenet:
This is John Bagby. I am a member of this past summer's Zippy Pronoia Tour.
As many already know, our group of eleven Brits and Americans separated
with Fraser Clark (in the physical, business, and karmic senses) this past
July.

Earlier this year, a dispute between Fraser Clark and the original club
Megatripolis in London devolved into injunction being placed against Clark,
legally barring him from the premises. Following the Pronoia Tour's break
with him in the late summer, Clark began Megatripolis West in San Francsico.

Recently, there have been several reports of activities associated with
Fraser Clark and his new "zippy" club in San Francisco: Megatripolis West.
The activities include an "Internet War" (a call to cyber-arms written in
military language, in opposition to the recently passed Criminal Justice
Bill in the UK).

Yesterday, journalist Bruce Eisner posted a message to the Usenet group
alt.culture.zippies, complaining about his treatment at the hands of Fraser
Clark and his latest "zippy" posse at Megatripolis West in San Francsico.

The above paragraphs contain no judgements or opinions, just facts.

Please research them to the fullest. I feel it is my responsibility to the
zippy community to clarify the actions taken under the zippy name, and to
announce clearly:

The Zippy Pronoia Tour to US '94 is not associated with Fraser Clark in any
way, and has not been since mid July of 1994.


john bagby
communications
zippy pronoia tour
november 18, 1994





"Pronoia is as pronoia does"
-cubensis gump

house.34.389: Bubblegum Crisis (aleonard) Fri 18 Nov 94 23:08

This is the best topic on the Well.

house.34.390: jonl (jonl) Sat 19 Nov 94 05:20

I'm wondering what th' zippies did to coerce leary?

house.34.391: pronoid dance-o-phrenic (cubensis) Sat 19 Nov 94 08:12


Dunno what Fraser did to coerce Leary-- But honestly, I've always
considered Fraser more of a _hippy_ than a _zippy_...

There is a newuser on the WELL --his ID is "megatrip" and his .plan says he
is representing Megatripolis. I e-mailed him a "welcome brother", and
pointed him to this topic. Boy, I would looooooove to debate him.
He sounds like the person to ask about Leary, {jonl}.

house.34.392: Knowledge (aasgaard) Sat 19 Nov 94 09:02

{AWAITING PERMISSION FROM THE AUTHOR}

house.34.393: Ray Navarra - Megatripolis (megatrip) Sat 19 Nov 94 14:42

Bruce Eisner aka Bruce Erlich will be making a statement regarding the
factual inaccuracies in his posting. Fraser has know Timothy for many years.
In fact Peter Booth Lee one of the team members, has had family ties with
timothy for over 50 years. "Coercion" would be aking to holding a gun to
timothy's head. We have video tape of Timothy telling the audience that "He
has been waiting to do this his whole life. This is not an invasion - it's
an inter-vasion"

house.34.394: pass the popcorn (cubensis) Sat 19 Nov 94 15:36


here we go!

house.34.395: Fuzzy Logic (phred) Sun 20 Nov 94 00:52

Hoo boy, this should be bog fun! I'm pulling up the lawn chair and
tall cold one . . .


house.34.396: pass the popcorn (cubensis) Sun 20 Nov 94 08:18

I had a nice !talk with Ray last night, and he is reading this topic from
the beginning (since May 7th) before jumping in. As I have had 395
responses worth of a head-start, it's only fair to hang tight and let him
make the first move.

Reading this puppy from the start would be BIG fun, I'd imagine. :-)
If only we could get Fraser to actually learn how to do his OWN
telecommunicating... now THAT would be interesting!

house.34.397: Ray Navarra - Megatripolis (megatrip) Mon 21 Nov 94 00:16

Your wish has been granted, heeeeere's Fraser:

High guys WOOOOPS this is not so hard after all!
OK, I just read ALL 397 entries in this Zippie forum - took me about 2
hours.
I am going to post an updated reality check from our side. For the moment
here
are some comments off the top of my head: Keep your popcorn popping and your
long drinks cool in the meme-time

Actually thought that this forum had been frozen soon after the
Great Divide of early Aug, about the time our "spoiler" friend Duck wrote:
"Please take me off your mailing list."

Bless My heart, so the tattered crew of the "Zippy Pronoia Tour To US 1994"
continued under its own steam. I understood that the "Pincus Palace Pseudo
Pronoia Putsch Posse" never did another single gig, starved for a while in
New
Mexico and then slunk back to England a month or so later, tails between
their
legs, while the real Zippy INVASION continued.

The Grand Canyon Mega Rave happened as prophesised - there's an
intelligently
balanced and pretty comical/serious 8 page review of it in the December
OUTDOOR
magazine (If you're nice, I'll send you a copy for Xmas, John), as well as a
rave report in the latest URB Magazine. (A reality cheque for those like
Bruce
Eisner, who seem to believe it never happened)

QUICK NOTE: I spoke to Bruce on Friday for an hour and a half. He seemed
to
be in a rather emotionally unstable mood, but he DID promise to make a
public
retraction at the very least. He told me that he often sounds off in this
way.
Since he has'nt followed up yet, I'll give him some time before I reply.

John Cubensis, you seem to have been doing a decent job sustaining this
forum
and I wish you all the best. I think your siding with the "Putsh" was
caused
more by bad information than bad intention.

As for Megatripolis, our short season at the Trocadero convinced us to
settle
here for the long haul and we'll be reopening in our OWN premises in the New
Year. We' like California and we think it likes us. The INTERNET INVASION
OF
THE UK CONTINUES AS MORE AND MORE PEOPLE REALISE WHAT IS HAPPENING ON A
GLOBAL
SCALE.
We just got word from Western Australia, for exxample, that a very similar
bill was introduced there as a trial run for Britain's Criminal Justice Act.
Did we warn you or did we warn you? "With Western governments increasingly
interconnected ...". (SEE: alt.rave or alt.music.techno if you want to
catch
up on events.) US next!
Fraser Clark.
PS: hope you'll all rise to the occasion, and pass on the good news?

house.34.398: Ray Navarra - Megatripolis (megatrip) Mon 21 Nov 94 01:01

For the record, here is that infamous Leary Item:

NEWS RELEASE FROM THE ZIPPY INVASION TASK FORCE
Silicon Valley NOV 5: Today saw the launch of the First "Intercontinental
Ballistic Meme" (ICBM) and the Virtual Invasion of Great Britain. Speaking
aboard "US Yellow Cyberine" at club Megatripolis, "CyberCommodore" Timothy
Leary, had this to say: "I have waited all my life for this moment. This is
not
just an INVASION its an INTER-VASION" Speaking before a jubilant audience
packed into the venue at the181 Club in San Francisco, Leary defined the
aims
of the Cyber Task Force: "to protect democracy and rave culture and HALT the
British Criminal Justice Bill".

The "Invasion" was officially launched by popular cyberhero, Leary, (banned
from Britain 25 years ago because of his threat to the security of the
British
empire.), with the message below to President Clinton and with full support
of
guerrilla CyberMailing attacks and partial landings around the Cyber Coast
of
the British Islands by the "Hacker Light Infantry". The group aims to bring
pressure to bear upon cyber-Britain with the multiplicity of their protests.
"We are calling upon all cyber citizens outside of the United Kingdom to
email
as many British Governmental addresses as possible with this protest."

THIS IS THE FIRST EXERCISE OF A GLOBAL VOTE. In the age of the information
superhighway, all attempts to usurp freedom and destroy democracy will be
met
with a staggering world wide personal response. Everyone with an e-mail
address
can participate and launch this Info ICBM to impact history.

There was unanimous agreement amongst participants at the launch that the
"Internet Invasion" represented a massive leap forward into Direct
Democracy.
"I dedicate this event to Marshal McLuhan - the world is now truly a global
village" said Leary. "Never before have citizens in one country had the
ability
to vote on issues in another. Borders and geographical boundaries are now
truly
obsolete."

"We are raising a psychic cyberarmy of zippy moles and warrior hackers to
CyberInvade Britain from the West Coast, the least expected launchpad, but
where Internet connections are the densest in the world." added Fraser
Clark,
Zippy Rave Philosopher. "The downloading of e-mail from the west coast and
the
rest of the world is likely to saturate the British system, precipitating a
major evolution of normal consciousness and thinking patterns in the UK.
Imagine a billion bits of data rebuilding from a molecular level the psychic
and social body of the British Culture"

"We want to establish, before the eyes of the world, the basic human right
to
dance barefoot on the grass or in the forest, whenever and wherever the whim
overtakes us. Its as simple as that" He continued. "The issue is abundantly
clear to the least developed among us. Either you need a license to dance or
you don't. There are no two ways about it. Think for Yourself and Question
Authority shall be the whole of the Law." said Clark

On Saturday, November 5th 1994, Dr Timothy Leary sent the following e-mail
message to president Bill Clinton at president@whitehouse.com

MR PRESIDENT

YESTERDAY THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT, AN ALLY OF THE UNITED STATES, DEPRIVED ITS
CITIZENS OF THE RIGHT TO ASSEMBLE IN GROUPS OF MORE THAN TEN PEOPLE ON
COMMON
GROUND. THIS HIGH HANDED MEASURE THREATENS SIMILAR RIGHTS HERE IN THE USA
AND
MAY PROHIBIT INTERNET GATHERINGS IN THE PUBLIC LAND OF CYBERIA.

IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY PUBLIC RESPONSE FROM YOU TO THIS DESTRUCTION OF BASIC
HUMAN RIGHTS IN THE WEST, WE THE FREEDOM LOVING CITIZENS OF THE INTERNET
HEREBY
DECLARE OUR WILLINGNESS TO PREVENT THIS HEINOUS GLOBAL DEGENERATION AND
IMPLORE YOU TO DO ALL IN YOUR POWER TO HELP ERASE THIS SHAMEFUL BILL AND ITS
INTENTION FROM PLANETARY CONSCIOUSNESS.

Signed: Dr Timothy Leary,
SAN FRANCISCO 11/5/94

INFOLINE: (415) 281 KNOW [A World Wide Web site for info on the Criminal
Justice Bill is available at the following URL:]
http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bs2ajs/CJ.Bill.html
DISTRIBUTED ON BEHALF OF THE ZIPPY INVASION TASK FORCE
-ends-

house.34.399: Ray Navarra - Megatripolis (megatrip) Mon 21 Nov 94 01:05

And our latest Meme -
AS THE INTERNET INVASION OF THE UK CONTINUES....
THE LIST OF ADDRESSES WHERE YOU CAN PROTEST THE CJB GROWS:
David@dlshaw.demon.co.uk - Conservative Party MP for Dover and Deal
tony.blair#geo2.geonet.de - Labour Party Leader
tony.blair@geo2.poptel.org.uk - Address Two for Labour Leader
Anne.Campbell.MP#solo.pipex.com - Labour MP for Cambridge
paddyashdown#cix.compulink.co.uk - Liberal Party Leader

plus assorted UK MP's & officials

bernie.grant@geo2.geonet.de - Bernie Grant
andrew.bennett@geo2.geonet.de - Andrew Bennett
david@election.demon.co.uk - David Boothroyd
Robert@burrager.demon.co.uk - Robert Burrage

REASON: The Criminal Justice & Public Order Act of Britain effectively BANS
the holding of Rave in the UK and HAS REVOKED BRITISH CITIZENS' RIGHT TO
ASSEMBLE.

METHOD: Use the Internet to Register your Protest and to Cast A GLOBAL VOTE
AGAINST THIS SUSPENSION OF BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS

THIS IS NOT JUST A BRITISH ISSUE, ITS A GLOBAL ISSUE. THE SETTING OF THIS
PRECEDENT IN A WESTERN DEMOCRACY, THREATENS THE DEVELOPMENT OF DEMOCRACY AND
HUMAN RIGHTS EVERYWHERE.

AND FURTHER PLACES TO SEND
YOUR VOTE:
1. The web site www.open.gov.uk run by the UK government's computer
department has a feedback page. You can address a protest message
to the government there.

2: Send your protest to British Companies. Another way to register your
protest is to send your message to people who support the UK Government
Financially. If they find that world opinion is against them, then they will
pass on your message to their friends in Parliament. United Kingdom
Commercial
e-mail addresses are available via publications such as New Rider's Official
Internet Yellow Pages and other resource lists.

3. Snail Mail: Finally, If you want to ensure that your protest reaches the
Prime Minister then print it on some paper, put it in an envelope and post
it
to Mr J Major, 10 Downing Street, London, SW1A 2AA, United Kingdom.

SUGGESTED PROTEST MESSAGE:
Recognizing that the principle involved in the British Criminal Justice Act
,
involves the banning of "gatherings of more than 10 people on public land"
and
may eventually be introduced into my home country and by extension of the
same
principle may prohibit Internet "gatherings" in the public land of Cyberia,
we,
the Undersigned, protest with all our hearts and will. And we implore you to
do
all in your power to erase this shameful bill and its intention from
planetary
consciousness.

Signed: [your e-mail address]
Note: We are not attempting to gridlock the ENTIRE system but to rather
bring
pressure to bear upon the United Kingdom and its citizens.

BACKGROUND TO THE Public Order section of the "Criminal Justice and Public
Order Act of GREAT BRITAIN" CAN BE FOUND AT THE following URL
http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bs2ajs/CJ.Bill.html
or previous postings on alt.rave and alt.music.techno

For info on UK Government plans for the Internet (Wired Whitehall):
http://www.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/hpp?ww.html

For Information on British MP's:
URLs: ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/doc/British_Politics/*
http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~dboothro/home.html|Con Lab L Dem Oth |C maj|

The UK Treasury: http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/

others UK government URL's can be found at:
http://www.open.gov.uk/index.htm

-ends-
I do urge everyone to have a look at commentary in alt.rave and
alt.music.techno.

house.34.400: pronoia is as pronoia does (cubensis) Mon 21 Nov 94 07:44


Hiya, Fraser. You and your new group of devotees should really read the
feedback on alt.rave and alt.music.techno. There are several threads, not
all begun by your people... try the search words "Pronoia" "whatever" and
"Zippies".

Wow. My tail feels really erect and out-in-front. :-)
Funny how perception works-- subjective representations of reality vary
according to milage. I was wondering if you have considered budgeting for
good ol' Professor Paradigm (remember that poor fellow?) or for the
deductable paid for your little Missouri off-road adventure... or Dimitry's
phone bill... in other words:

Not to say I don't feel the same as you-- no malice at all, maybe I'm just
confused at which realities you choose to remember so clearly!

:-)

--full of good intentions and better information,

john

house.34.401: pronoia is as pronoia does (cubensis) Mon 21 Nov 94 10:32


Hey! Cool! 400 responses!

I'l propose a theme for the next 100--

"community, responsibility, accountability"

any other proposals?

house.34.402: Robert Lauriston (duck) Mon 21 Nov 94 11:19

Sex, drugs, and loud music with a heavy beat?

house.34.403: Jim Cyr (surfpunk) Mon 21 Nov 94 11:27

how about a sexual community doing drugs responsibly on account of a heavy
beat?

house.34.404: natural born raver (cubensis) Mon 21 Nov 94 11:48

beautiful!

house.34.405: Ray Navarra - Megatripolis (megatrip) Mon 21 Nov 94 13:42

in a community filled with anarchic adventurer's, where doth the proverbial
buck stop? i think even fraser will agree that captain paradigm is somewhat
of a loose cannon especially when in close proximity to a telephone device.
but what i would like to know - did you guys ever get to a figure as to who
was responsible for what amount of greenbacks? cellular phones can be a
bummer, especially if you hand them over to a bunch of kids eager to express
their favorite holo-wood fantasy. my advice would be to get to the bottom of
the "Mother of all Telephone Bills" in an unemotional, rational way.
methinks fraser is not the drug desperado dude you want him to be. then
again he is not your average accountant type either.
by the way, if you've been following raver909's flame war with us on
alt.rave then i fully understand how you see our "Invasion" as negative -
from my experience, if you don't have negative feedback, you're not doing
your job. or does each negative comment count for more than the rarer
positive one - think about this, you are more like to respond if you get
outraged than if you agree with the sentiments. What i find totally amazing
about the invasion is how many people have forwarded our posts onto other
forums,or mailed us back with requests for more information. perhaps your'e
just a little tender from the (unreasonable) barrage of inflame-ation that
cut you in the first round? birthing the bi-millennium can be a painful
pregnancy - trick is to work out what kind of pain it is, your own or
somebody elses?
PS keep the popcorn popping, fraser will return with his comprehensive
reading of the zany zippy zeitgeist.

house.34.406: corn needs more salt (cubensis) Mon 21 Nov 94 15:16


** First of all, everyone please note I am speaking my own opinion. The ten
other members of the Pronoia Tour have not yet read this latest stuff, as
they are in the UK and too busy for getting new email accounts. I feel
confident my expressed opinions are, for the most part, shared by all of
them. **

Ray said:

} i think even fraser will agree that captain paradigm
} is somewhat of a loose cannon especially when in
} close proximity to a telephone device.

Professor Paradigm never got near a phone. No offense, Ray- but I'd be
cautious when agruing a situation you did not participate in, because
invariably quoting second-hand recollections will get you into trouble. It
sounds like you might've confused Prof Paradigm with "loose cannon" Michael
John.

Professor Paradigm is a nice enough alternative-health dood from Boulder who
was promised by Fraser (personally) that if he invested his last $400 in a
U-Haul for the trip to the Gathering, he would be reimbursed. As far as I
know that has not happened. For the record (since we are post-mordem-ing
here) I've never called Fraser to task for his 12th of the group expenses
(like cellular phone bills, van rental debt, etc..) figuring that was the
price of our deciding to part ways with him. It is only his personal
examples of non-pronoia that I referred to earlier.

} methinks fraser is not the drug desperado dude you want him to be

What I wanted him to be is fairly clear by reading the first weeks of this
topic. I was glassy-eyed. My recent, more realistic comments are based on
the kind of intimacy only available to those sharing tight quarters for
several thousand miles. The examples I listed above are illustrations of a
lack of accountability on Fraser's part, as an individual who expected
leadership status from those around him. Sure, lots of people make
mistakes, definitely including me, but one of the primary reasons we
(unanimously) split with Fraser is his blatant willingness to promise
anything to anyone, to say anything it takes to get what he wants... in
many cases when it is what HE wants for HIM, and not for a group. This is
also the exact reason given to me by fifteen different London Megatripolians
this past spring, for their ousting of Fraser-- back when I was
contemplating accepting the offer to join the Pronoia Tour. I'll just say
that only one person from the original club came on the Tour, the rest of
the dozen being individual British (and a few Yank) zippies who had recently
met Fraser and were charmed by his disarming personality. I've since said to
the London crew: ok, ok, you were right-- I should have listened.

Don't get me wrong-- one of the reasons I respect Fraser (yes I still do) is
that he has an uncanny ability to serve as a focus point and nexus of
wonderful and talented people. I have met many incredible people through
him. He is a affable fellow-- it's just that after traveling with him
across the states all summer, I learned firsthand that I had set my levels
of trust and faith a little too high. It is my hope Fraser learned from
these things and can respect others the way he desires to be respected.
IMO, this is the only way each of his current and previous teams of zippies
will be able to work together for a community-oriented, PRONOID common good.

} from my experience, if you don't have negative feedback, you're not doing
} your job. or does each negative comment count for more than the rarer

Believe me, I have firsthand experience in sifting negative feedback for the
fair criticism and pure abuse within. Both positive and negative are good,
IMO. We agree on that point. I only have a problem when you guys put out
the label:

Zippy HQ: megatrip@well.com

We ALL get abuse under the name "zippies!" :-) Don't you go grabbin' all
the credit! If you read the feedback since Spring, you'd see an inherently-
decentralized movement takes offense to this kind of heirarchy. Like I've
said before, there are single zippies and groups of zippies who are worth
listening to, and each of these might have a different contact point for a
single event, or a club, or a tour. But a global movement based at one WELL
address? Cooperative anarchists don't like HQs, do they? HQs are very
heirarchical, old-world, dominator creations. Personally, I prefer to build
resource centers, info clearinghouses, temporary autonomous zones-- and
plain old teaching by example. Isn't that more pronoid?

} perhaps your'e just a little tender from the
} (unreasonable) barrage of inflame-ation that cut
} you in the first round? birthing the bi-millennium
} can be a painful pregnancy - trick is to work out
} what kind of pain it is, your own or somebody elses?

:-) Fair enough. I am, however, committed to interactive representation
and not dictatorship. My problem with your CJB protests is in the method,
not the motivation. I hung with many Advance Party folks when I lived in
London, when Michael Howard first drafted the then-proposal. I attended the
first rallies. I agree with everything you all have said about the global
implications and the need for mobilization. However, as a military veteran,
I am STRONGLY opposed to the language you used. The whole mobilzation could
have been achieved without the "Hacker-light Infantry" and the "Internet
ICBMs". It seems you have picked up the lightsaber to strike down the
emperor, which is exactly what he wants in order to seduce you into that
mindset. IMO, the power of rave is in the huge numbers of people sending
psychic lovebeams. :-)

Look, reasonable people can disagree. Zippies are not clones. As for THIS
individual, I'd like to get past the crap, but not at the expense of mis-
representation or disinformation.

whew. I've been waitin' a long time for that. thanks for readin' it.

Comments?

house.34.407: RUSirius (rusirius) Mon 21 Nov 94 15:59

i rode a tank in the general's rank...

house.34.408: Ray Navarra - Megatripolis (megatrip) Mon 21 Nov 94 16:19

Forgive the paranautical paradigm misplacing, I was indeed refering to
Michael John and his AT&T attitude. But to the heart of the matter with
regard to our old lovably Goat-Man Fraser (he is a capricorn) and the money
misconception. At this altitude looking at the 400 postings, it becomes
clear what a seat-of-the-pants operation the pronoia tour was - definitely
not a corporate expense account and promo firm with a whole bunch of
accountants sorting out the nitty gritty of who gets paid with what. Looking
back at the beginning and the uproar over the Wired Article and a "20 000
pounds a week" business in london invading the USA scene etc - I see how the
confusion as to how the thing was financed has continued to this day. Having
had the misfortune to learn the rules of Promotion on a Monk's budget the
hard way, I know that it is relatively easy to get into deep "Karmic" shit
with all and sundry when post the fact you realise you have'nt kept tabs on
what it is that you owe. That post-party headache, "hmmm, i distinctly
remember promising something to probably 1000 of those 20 000 people
involved in my production, if only i had a secretary/accountant" so you wait
for people to come knocking while quietly hoping that they might just donate
the whole caboodle (its production on NO budget remember) so you don't have
too much money to hand out, and then the following realisation "muso's and
hippys usually do'nt have accountants either - guess this means i don't get
an invoice" What you do get however is serious psychic pshit a good couple
of months later when some bad-tripping individual tries to throttle you at a
a third party event. This just an illustration of my experience with hippy-
money. We might all be a part of an alternative culture - but money has
always been mainstream. Guess this an argument in favor of accountants being
included on the cyber-arc. gotogo more later on the semantics of invasion.
rayve

house.34.409: Knowledge (aasgaard) Mon 21 Nov 94 16:34

{AWAITING PERMISSION FROM THE AUTHOR}

house.34.410: KT Lytle (finn2) Mon 21 Nov 94 17:42

{WORDS DELETED BY REQUEST}

house.34.411: pass the vibe (cubensis) Mon 21 Nov 94 19:24

I think Ray meant Michael John may be solely responsible for the majority of
AT&T's profit in the last fiscal year. A multinational telecommuting ego!

{finn2}, did you mean Outdoor or Outside magazine?

house.34.412: Ray Navarra - Megatripolis (megatrip) Mon 21 Nov 94 20:40

those naughty nomads need sat-phones


house.34.413: Jim Cyr (surfpunk) Tue 22 Nov 94 13:55

so, it would seem that the Tour de Zip has amounted to exactly that . . .
all of the recent caterwauling is so much interesting (lessons to be
learned, etc. etc.) Monday morning quarterbacking (to use a good AMERICAN
term) - irony intended :)
but, other than the Republican landslide, how has our culture been
positively impacted by all this? (Since I subscribe to Sheldrake's
theory of a morphogenetic field)
and since the
San Francisco "Megatripolis" experiment also seems to lie in ashes
are we now at the point of the "darkest hour before the dawn" ?
and by what signs and wonders can we possibly hope to be pronoid about
our future - or was the recent abomination called the "rave mass" at
Grace cathedral intended as a consumate bummer and final death rattle?

house.34.414: John Bagby (cubensis) Tue 22 Nov 94 14:06

I was with the rave scene at its moment of doubt and pain...

house.34.415: Jim Cyr (surfpunk) Tue 22 Nov 94 14:09

and then what happened?

house.34.416: John Bagby (cubensis) Tue 22 Nov 94 16:29


besides my subscription to the theories of Sheldrake, I for one believe
firmly in chaos theory...

or: the opera ain't over 'till the fat lady sings.

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